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On the Prohibition of Sitting with People of

Innovation, Listening to them, Arguing with the

m to Abandon then and those who Associate with


بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم

الحمد الله

The Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, “Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind.”

Qaadee Aboo Ya’laa (d. 333H) said, “There is consensus (Ijmaa’) among the Sahaabah and the Taabi’een as regards dissociating and cutting-off from the Innovators.”

Al-Qurtubee (d. 671H) said, “And when avoiding the people of sin has been established, as we have just explained, then avoiding the People of Innovations and Desires is foremost (i.e., more befitting).”

Al-Baghawee (d. 535H) said, “And the Sahaabah, the Taabi’een, their successors and the Scholars of the Sunnah passed away while they were upon this, united and unanimously agreed upon having enmity towards the People of Innovation and fleeing from them.”

Al-Baghawee also said, “And the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم has informed about the splitting of this Ummah and the appearance of desires and innovations within it. And he ruled that deliverance would be for the one who followed his Sunnah and the Sunnah of his Companions رضي الله عنهTherefore, it is necessary for the Muslim when he sees a man engaging himself with anything from the desires and innovations, believing in them, or belittling anything from the Sunnah, that he flees from him, disowns him and leaves him — dead or alive. So he does not give salaam to him when he meets him and nor does he respond to him if he salutes first (and he should continue doing this) until this person abandons his innovation and returns to the truth.”

Ibn Qudaamah (d. 620H) said, “The Salaf used to forbid sitting with the People of Innovations, looking into their books and listening to their words.” 231 Imaam al-Laalikaa’ee (d. 418H) said in Sharh Usoolil-I’tiqaad, 1/114, “What is related from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم with regards to the prohibition of debating with the Innovators.” Aboo Daawood (d. 275H) has a chapter in his Sunan, 4/197, “Chapter: Turning away from the Innovators and having hatred for them.” Al-Bayhaqee (d. 458H) said in Al- I’tiqaad, p. 236, “Chapter: Prohibition of Sitting with the Innovators.” Imaam an-Nawawee (d. 676H) mentions in Al- Adhkaar, p. 323, “Chapter: Disassociating from the People of Innovation and the People of Sin.” Ibn ‘Abbaas (d. 68H) said, “Indeed the most detestable of things to Allaah are the innovations.” Al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H) said, “Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them.”

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad (d. 187H) said, “I met the best of people, all of them people of the Sunnah and they used to forbid accompanying the people of innovation.”

Ibraheem ibn Maysarah (d.132H) said, “Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam.”

Sufyaan ath-Thawree (d. 161H) said, “Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allaah and is entrusted with the innovation.

Imaam Maalik (d. 179H) said, “How evil are the people of innovation, we do not give them salaam.”

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad (d. 187H) said, “Whoever sits with a person of innovation, then beware of him and whoever sits with a person of innovation has not been given wisdom. I love that there was a fort of iron between me and a person of innovation. That I eat with a Jew and a Christian is more beloved to me than that I eat with a person of innovation.”

Al-Layth ibn Sa’d (d. 175H) said, “If I saw a person of desires (i.e., innovations) walking upon the water I would not accept from him.” So Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee then said, “He (al-Layth) has fallen short. If I saw him walking in the air I would not accept from him.”

Ath-Thaabit ibn al-Ajlaan said, “I met Anas ibn Maalik, Ibn al– Musayyah, al-Hasan al-Basree, Sa’eed ibn Jubair, ash-Sha’bee, Ibraaheem an-Nakha’ee, Ataa’ ibn Abee Ribaah, Taawoos, Mujaahid, ‘Abdullaah ibn Abee Mulaikah, az-Zuhree, Makhool, al-Qaasim Aboo ‘Abdur-Rahmaan, Ataa’ al-Khurasaanee, Thaabit al-Bunaanee, al-Hakam ibn ‘Utbah, Ayyoob as- Sakhtiyaanee, Hammaad ibn Muhammad ibn Seereen, Aboo ‘Aamir – and he had actually met Aboo Bakr as-Siddeeq (radhiyallahu anhu), Yazeed ar-Riqaashee, and Sulaimaan ibn Moosaa — all of them were ordering me (to hold on to) the Jamaa’ah and forbidding me from the People of Desires (i.e., Innovators).”

Sa’eed ibn ‘Aamir said, “I heard my grandfather, Ismaa’eel ibn Khaarijah speaking, saying, “Two men from the People of Desires came to Muhammad ibn Seereen (d. 110H) and said, ‘0 Aboo Bakr, can we narrate to you a hadeeth?’ He said, ‘No.’ They said, ‘Then can we recite an aayah to you?’ He said, ‘No. Either you stand (and leave) or I will stand (and leave).’ So the two men stood and left. Some of the people said to him, ‘What harm would it do to you if they recited an aayah?’ He said, ‘I disliked that they read an aayah to me and then distort it, so that this falls into my heart.”

Al-Awzaa’ee (d. 157H) reports from Yahyaa ibn Katheer (d. 129H) that he said, “If you meet a person of innovation along the path, then take a path other than it.” 241

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad (d. 187H) said, “If a man comes to a person to consult him and he directs him to an innovator, then he has made a deception of Islaam. Beware of going to a person of innovation for they divert (people) from the truth.”

Isma’eel at-Toosee said, “Ibn al-Mubaarak said to me, ‘Let your company be the poor and needy and beware of sitting with a person of innovation.”

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad said, “Do not sit with a person of innovation — for I fear that curses will descend upon you.”

Aboo Qilaabah (d. 104H) said, “Do not sit with them, do not mix with them for I fear that they will immerse you in their misguidance and confuse you in much of what you know.”

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad said, “Do not sit with a person of innovation. Allaah has rendered his actions futile and has taken the light of Islaam from his heart.” 246 He also said, “Do not feel safe about your deen with a person of innovation. Do not consult him in your affairs and do not sit with him, for whoever sits with a person of innovation Allaah will make him inherit blindness.”

And he said, “Verily, Allaah has angels who look for the gatherings in which remembrance is made, so look and see with whom is your sitting. Let it not be with a person of innovation for Allaah does not look at them. And a sign of hypocrisy is that a man stands and sits with a person of innovation.”

Ibn Battah (d. 387H) reported from ‘Abdullaah ibn as-Sariyy who said, “It is not the Sunnah with us, that the People of Desires should be argued with but the Sunnah with us, is that we do not talk to a single one of them.” 249 He also reported from Hanbal ibn Ishaaq ibn Hanbal that he said, “A man wrote a book to Aboo ‘Abdullaah (Imaam Ahmad) رحمه اللهseeking permission to write a book in which the refutation against the People of Innovation is explained and for meeting with the people of theological rhetoric (Ahlul-kalaam) to dispute with them and to present arguments to them. So Aboo ‘Abdullaah wrote a book back to him saying in it, ‘That which we used to hear and found whomever we met from the People of Knowledge upon, is that they used to detest speaking and sitting with the People of Deviation. The affair lies in submitting to and Stopping at whatever is in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, not in sitting with the People of Deviation and Innovation, seeking thereby to refute them, for they will only confuse you and they themselves do not return. So safety, if Allaah wills, is in abandoning sitting with them and not disputing with them regarding their innovations.”

Al-Fudayl ibn ‘Iyaad (d. 187H) said, “It is not possible for a person of the Sunnah to support a person of innovation except out of hypocrisy.”

‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Umar as-Sarkhasee, the Scholar of Khazar, said, “I ate with a person of innovation and that reached Ibn al-Mubaarak who said, ‘I never spoke to him for thirty days.”

Aboo Daawood as-Sijistaanee (d. 275) said, “I said to Aboo ‘Abdullaah, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ‘If I see a man from the Ahlus– Sunnah sitting with a man from the people of innovation, should I abandon speaking to him?’ He said, ‘No. You should first inform him that the one whom you saw him with is a person of innovation. Either he will cease speaking to the innovator, so continue speaking to him, or if not, then regard him to be like him.” Ibn Mas’ooj said, “A person is like his friend.”

Hammad ibn Zaid (d. 179H) said, “I was with Ayyoob, Yoonus and Ibn ‘Awn (when) ‘Amr ibn ‘Ubaid, and he was a Mu’taziliyy, passed by them and gave them salaam and stopped – but they did not return the salaam to him.”

When Sulaymaan at-Taymee (d. 143H) became ill he cried intensely and it was said to him, “What makes you cry, the apprehension of death?” He said, “No, but I passed by a Qadariyy and gave salaam to him — and I fear that my Lord will hold me to account for it.”
Muhammad ibn Ka’b al-Qurtubee said, “Do not sit with the People of Qadar (i.e., the Qadariyyah, those denying Qadar) and do not argue with them. And when Hammaad ibn Salamah (d. 167H) used to sit in a gathering he would say, “Whoever is a Qadariyy, let him stand and leave. Something similar to this has also been reported about Taawoos, Ayyoob, Sulaymaan at- Taymee, Yoonus ibn ‘Ubaid and others. Al-Qaadee said, “And this is Ijmaa (consensus) of the Sahabah and the Taabi‘een (i.e., regarding fleeing from the People of Innovation).

One of the Innovators asked Ayyoob as-Sakhtiyaanee (d. 131H), “0 Aboo Bakr, may I ask you about a word? 257 He turned away and indicated with his hand, “No, not even half a word. Ibn ‘Awn (d. 150H) said, “Whoever sits with an innovator is worse than them.”

Ibn Haanee an-Neesaabooree said, “I witnessed Aboo ‘Abdullah, meaning Imaam Ahmad, on his way to the mosque and a man from the skeptics (innovators) gave him salaam. He did not return salaam to him and the man gave him salaam again. Imaam Ahmad pushed him away and did not return salaam to him.”

Aboo ‘Uthmaan as-Saaboonee (d. 449W) said, “And they avoid the People of Innovation and Misguidance, having enmity for the People of Desires and Ignorance. They hate the People of Innovation who introduce into the Deen that which is not from it. They do not love them, they do not accompany them, they do not listen to their words, nor sit with them or argue or dispute with them regarding the Deen. And they protect their ears from listening to their falsehoods, which if they pass by the cars and settle in the hearts, harm the hearts and bring corrupt ideas and whisperings upon them.”

Abul-Jawzaa 261 (d. 83W) said, “That apes and pigs live next to me is more loved by me than if one of them (i.e., People of Desires) lives next to me.

Taken from, “Usool as Sunnah,” by Imam Ahmad bin رحمه الله

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